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I'd go with the blue hornet. dont know why but i would choose a japanese bike maybe because the prices and availability of parts are a bit wider, but then again i'm not an expert of italian bikes...

furthermore hornet already has a great reputation all around europe, reliable and great looking bike

and gixer ? no ?

yea those too

Toks jausmas,kad mūsų lietuvaičiai nebemoka rašyti lietuviškai,kad rašo užsienietiškai.

juk norime svetingi pasirodyti

nu tgi bandom itikti musu siauriniam Braliukui
niekaip negalim jo ikalbint atsisakyti minties jamti DUKAKI, ir pasirasyti ant good old gsxr1000..

Tai kvieskit į svečius ir stala gerą ruoškit,tai bus pats geriausias svetingumas.

good old nezinau man siaip dukaciai per daug susizavejimo nekelia... ta isvaizda tokia savotiska...

dukaki yra dukaki..
cia kaip su automobiliais kas vazineja su C5, sakyk jam ka nori

cia tiesa

tai kad C5 alia francuzas.o jei kokia geraja fiat markes karieta paemus.klausimas ar savininkas iki isprotejimo labai ja butu suzavetas....

nu lietuviai monstrus vertina,o man asmeniskai ir zavesio nekelia,bet kur naujausias isleistas MOTO zurnale,tai apie aprasyma raketa!tik kainos nepaminejo,o itariu kainyte ir nebus kukli...

jio-tu italu kainos tai nepalyginamai didesnes uz japonu,bet patikimumas bendrai paemus tai japonu naudai,o dizainas tai skirtingas,kaip ir galia

a nesuprasi,vieni giria,kiti peikia,kad nieko gero is ju del gedimo,gal priklauso manau nuo to pas koki savininka buvo pries tai .vienas vazinedavo su BENELI,tai is toli girdedavos kaip atvaziuoja,variklis dirbdavo kaip traktorius

Del kainu ar detaliu prieinamumo japonas=italui, gal pries 5 metus buvo kazkas kitaip db ir ebajus pilnas, ir atstovybes yra.
Del patikimumo tai lb priklauso nuo eksploatacijos...
Turejau ir japonu ir italu, kol kas lieku prie italu.

Andreli, kode ?

bet jei apie detaliu gavima lietuvoje tai cia su japonu atstovais daug lengviau gaut tai ko jieskoma,o su italu ir kainos kosmines ir laukimo intervalas ilgas

del kainu italai tikrai brangiau,o japonu galima dar ir devetu daliu rast,o su italais jau kas kita

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Cituoju: entusiast i just want monster that i don't have to start repairing after buying it. also considering actually 900 hornet, have any ideas where i might get it? http://auto.plius.lt/pirkejams/skelbimas?type=motociklai&id=89401 http://auto.plius.lt/pirkejams/skelbimas?type=motociklai&id=78176 Both bikes are for sale more than few month es. Take the yellow. Black have nice exhaust, but yellow looks better/well maintain. Personally saw only black. I really do not check how many miles it done... Anyway like some one told not so far, come here, take a ride. A lot good stuff goes to EE, - Monsters, Defenders, Girls... This is not advice, this is my opinion. Ducati monster - rulezzz... [Redaguota 2009-3-24 entusiast]

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Cituoju: dava1 Andreli, kode ?

Geriau jauciuosi ant italo. As bandes tik gatvinius, tai italai lengvesni, pasukamumas geresnis, jegos uztenka.
Man labiau limpa, bent jau kol kas.

Citata:

Cituoju: Andrelis Citata: Cituoju: dava1 Andreli, kode ? Geriau jauciuosi ant italo. As bandes tik gatvinius, tai italai lengvesni, pasukamumas geresnis, jegos uztenka. Man labiau limpa, bent jau kol kas.

Nu nu , nuo kada italai lengvesni. Jie visa gyvenima nesugebedavo net priarteti su svoriu japonam, tad net apie susilyginima ner kalbos o cia apie pralenkima kalbama.
Italai teturi vieninteli pliusa pries japona-tai kad ju ira maziau gatveje. Bet tas pliusas turi minusa, nes ju maziau ne del to kad jie butu neiperkami ar pan, nes deveti italai nuverteje stipriai, nes is ju tik barskalo ir rudziu kruva belieka, taigi juos teperka kas susigundo mazesne kaina ir is praeities likusiu garsiu vardu.
Na ir dar perka prisieke fanai, kuriems neegzistuoja kitos markes.

[Redaguota 2009-3-25 mune23]

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Cituoju: Andrelis Citata: Cituoju: dava1 Andreli, kode ? Geriau jauciuosi ant italo. As bandes tik gatvinius, tai italai lengvesni, pasukamumas geresnis, jegos uztenka. Man labiau limpa, bent jau kol kas.

beje andreli sveikinu ivaldzhius italiukshti ish taves gero viskio bonka

nezinau kaip su kitais modeliais, bet idomumo delei palyginau monstra 1000 2005 ir horneta 900 2006. horneta 13 arkliu daugiau turi nei ducati, o sveria 14 kg daugiau nors atrodo mazesnis variklis pas horneta, o sukimosi momentas panasus pas abu. tai istikruju laimi skonio reikalas kuri rinktis nes bent pagal duomenis abu panasus, bet man vistiek ducati nelimpa mune23, ducacio vardas dar ir dabar labai garsus ypac kai casey stoner tiek lenktyniu laimi su juom

Japonu megejai visuomet stengiasi puikuotis pries Italus. Turintys Italus nesiparina juos lyginti su kitais. Japonu aparatai is ties puikios, aukstos technologijos pavyzdys. Techniskai teisingi ir tvarkingi, patvarus ir tt. Tetruksta vieno vienintelio - dvasios, karizmos ar meno,... kaip cia pasakius. Pasitenkinimas kuri jauti vaziuodamas, sededamas, ziuredamas i SAVO itala... yra visai kitoks.. joks japonas negali to suteikti iki siol...

+ radau info:

As we admired the classic, Italian styling of the two pampered Ducatis in the climate-controlled room where Ed stores them, the topic of our conversation again turned to a subject of frequent debate amongst sport riders – differences in design philosophy between the big-four Japanese factories and the smaller European marques, such as Ducati. It was easy to compare the differences, as Ed, coming from a similar motorcycling background as myself, is also an R1 pilot, and just happens to also own a beautiful 2004 example, which is also currently on display in his home. Not coincidentally, the Yamaha R1, especially since its first major redesign for model year 2004, has been said to be the Japanese motorcycle which is most reminiscent, from a design standpoint, of Italian motorcycles – especially Ducatis. One of the biggest advantages of a motorcycle featuring a longitudinally-mounted v-twin or l-twin engine, such as nearly all Ducatis have, is that this design gives the motorcycle a very thin cross-section, contributing to the small, light feel of the motorcycle, important for rider confidence. Japanese supersport motorcycles have traditionally featured four-cylinder, inline engines, mounted transversely across the frame. While this design allows the slight forward weight distribution necessary for good front-end traction, it can result in an undesirably wide motorcycle. Yamaha were among the first of the Big Four to address this problem by canting the engine forward, thus allowing the twin rails of the aluminum frame to pass completely over the engine, instead of around it, resulting in a much more narrow cross-section. This design also results in the 2004+ R1 being what I have heard called a very “front-endy” motorcycle – meaning that it has a lot of weight over the front wheel (especially with rider aboard). While this is good for traction, it also demands a lot of confidence in the front end to go fast. (Another by-product of the forward-canted engine is a very high wheelie balance point for the modern R1, but that’s another discussion!)

So, having spent so little time at the controls of any non-inline-four-powered machine, I was obviously ecstatic when offered the chance to ride the 2007 1098 S of a friend. The latest, greatest Superbike from Italian manufacturer Ducati, the 1098 offers an extreme contrast to Japanese machinery. First and most importantly, it features a 1099cc l-twin engine, developing (conservatively) 135 rear-wheel horsepower and approximately 70 ft.-lbs. of rear-wheel torque. More importantly, it develops this power in a linear, progressive fashion, offering stump-pulling low-end torque which builds into a killer midrange and top-end rush. Secondly, and this may be the biggest difference between a Ducati and its Japanese competition – it features a trellis frame. Instead of using twin cast-aluminum beams, like a Japanese sportbike, the Ducati’s frame is constructed from lightweight, chromium alloy (chromoly) steel tubing. Counter intuitively, the main advantage of the steel trellis frame is that it is not as stiff structurally as an aluminum beam frame, like on an R1, for example. This allows the frame to act as a sort of shock absorber, picking up where the motorcycle’s suspension (its tires, brakes, rear shock and fork) leaves off. Generally speaking, the motorcycle’s suspension functions at its best when the bike is cruising down the road or track straight up and down. The fork, tires, and shock are able to absorb irregularities in the tarmac surface, doing their job of keeping the motorcycle planted, and the tires in contact with the road. However, when the motorcycle is leaned over in a turn, the fork and shock are at the wrong angle to do their job properly. At extremely steep angles of lean, when the motorcycle’s tires encounter a bump, a pothole, or other surface irregularity, the rider needs the motorcycle’s frame to give (especially at the steering head, swingarm pivot and shock mount), or flex, to allow the vehicle’s tires to remain in contact with the tarmac, maintaining traction, and keeping the rider in the saddle, as opposed to sliding down the road! The inherent flex that is built into the trellis-type frame appears to be very good at complementing the motorcycle’s suspension in this way, while the Japanese factories have had to, in recent years, design more flex into these critical areas of their bikes’ frames in order to improve this obscure aspect of handling. The factories also claim that increased flex in certain areas and greater stiffness in other areas also improves the elusive (and coveted) “feel” of a motorcycle while keeled over in a turn.

"Japonu megejai visuomet stengiasi puikuotis pries Italus. Turintys Italus nesiparina juos lyginti su kitais. Japonu aparatai is ties puikios, aukstos technologijos pavyzdys. Techniskai teisingi ir tvarkingi, patvarus ir tt. Tetruksta vieno vienintelio - dvasios, karizmos ar meno,... kaip cia pasakius. Pasitenkinimas kuri jauti vaziuodamas, sededamas, ziuredamas i SAVO itala... yra visai kitoks.. joks japonas negali to suteikti iki siol... "

butent ta jums Italu gamintojau NUOLAT NUOLAT kartoja kai jama dydele kaina ta pati istorija su melomanais, kurie moka kruva babkiu uz aparatura...

o as atkreipiau demesi tik i viena fraze: "...Japonu aparatai is ties puikios, aukstos technologijos pavyzdys. Techniskai teisingi ir tvarkingi, patvarus ir tt..."

o charizma kogero zmogus pats turi tureti, o ne aparate jos jieskoti

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Cituoju: dava1 "Japonu megejai visuomet stengiasi puikuotis pries Italus. Turintys Italus nesiparina juos lyginti su kitais. Japonu aparatai is ties puikios, aukstos technologijos pavyzdys. Techniskai teisingi ir tvarkingi, patvarus ir tt. Tetruksta vieno vienintelio - dvasios, karizmos ar meno,... kaip cia pasakius. Pasitenkinimas kuri jauti vaziuodamas, sededamas, ziuredamas i SAVO itala... yra visai kitoks.. joks japonas negali to suteikti iki siol... " butent ta jums Italu gamintojau NUOLAT NUOLAT kartoja kai jama dydele kaina ta pati istorija su melomanais, kurie moka kruva babkiu uz aparatura... o as atkreipiau demesi tik i viena fraze: "...Japonu aparatai is ties puikios, aukstos technologijos pavyzdys. Techniskai teisingi ir tvarkingi, patvarus ir tt..." o charizma kogero zmogus pats turi tureti, o ne aparate jos jieskoti

Yra toks dalykas kaip "usability" nezinau kaip isversti. I sia savoka patenka labai daug dalyku, tame tarpe ergonomika, technines charakteristikos, pasitenkinimas naudojant ir tt. Taigi pas Itala tos "usability" dalies kas liecia estetika, pasitenkinima, jausma yra santykinia daugiau nei pas japona. Gal sias savybes ir sukelia nuolatinis kartojimas apie "added value of design", bet jos yra. Japonas - gryni bejausmiai raumenys.
Cia kaip su drabuzeliais - patys praktiskiausi ne visada megstamiausi ir arciausiai kuno.

Galime be galo gincytis del sios temos. Ameniskai esu uz pusiausvyra tarp poliu, man daiktas, zaislas, transporto priemone turi buti malonus naudoti ir patikimas... nes kitaip butu nemalonu naudoti

cia jau kaip kas supranta ta charizma... vieni sako HD tai jau kruizeris o japonas kruizas neturi dvasios arba italas sportas turi dvasia o japonas ne.. kas do dvasia? genda pastoviai italai ar reikia daug pastangu valdant ji? man mocas turi tureti smarves, buti lengvai valdomas, patikimas ir per daug savo charakterio nerodyti (turiu omeny vaziuoji vaziuoji ir pradeda spjaudytis ar dar kas), tikriausiai vienintelis pasididziavimas tame kad nedaug kas turi ducati tai jautiesi gal kiek isskirtinis

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Cituoju: vladimeras cia jau kaip kas supranta ta charizma... vieni sako HD tai jau kruizeris o japonas kruizas neturi dvasios arba italas sportas turi dvasia o japonas ne.. kas do dvasia? genda pastoviai italai ar reikia daug pastangu valdant ji? man mocas turi tureti smarves, buti lengvai valdomas, patikimas ir per daug savo charakterio nerodyti (turiu omeny vaziuoji vaziuoji ir pradeda spjaudytis ar dar kas), tikriausiai vienintelis pasididziavimas tame kad nedaug kas turi ducati tai jautiesi gal kiek isskirtinis

Pasivazinek su italu: aprilia, ducati ar cagiva, ir suprasi
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