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Cituoju: Luxor naujas mataras 94 metu iki 2003 kainos tau 4456 $jodas ir svesus 500 $ pigeu plius damesk taxus ir persiuntima ir tu virsh 5 stuku jau sedi o dar kike visko reike pagalvot baisu ash uz tokius pinigus dauzta pirkceu ei ne pigeu uz 5000 stukas galima dauzta jau LT turet

Kieeeeek ar jie visai ten isprotejo. Tai kiek ten naujas motociklas kainuoja. Kazkada ziurejau easyrider,i kainas tai ten buvo parasyta kad sportster,io kaina JAV prasideda nuo 5350$ ar panasiai Tai as galvojau kad variklis iki 3000$ maximum temps. Neee jei taip tai teks tos idejos atsisakyti geriau as tada su masinos varikliu ar traika lipdysiu.

Taigi, o, bet tačiau ir prijejom pialiez brangios variantą - perki daužtą sportsterį, gali būt gana smarkiai, tada turi beveik visas dalis, gali išardyt visą, išlieti savo fantaziją ant rėmo ir kitų dalykų, tačiau neliesdamas transmisijos ir pakabos, nes ji būna ir be tavęs protingai sugalvota protingų konstruktorių (asmeninė patirtis), gali virint ir pjaustyt suteikdamas savo norimą formą ir navarotus, tobulinti kitas dalis ir gauti pakankamai įspūdingą baiką. Tiesa, tik norėjau pasakyt, kad iš uralo mataro išspaudus 70 arklių jo variklio resursas sumažėja tiek pat kartų padaugint iš dviejų ir pakelt kvadratu

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Cituoju: PQO Taigi, o, bet tačiau ir prijejom pialiez brangios variantą - perki daužtą sportsterį, gali būt gana smarkiai, tada turi beveik visas dalis, gali išardyt visą, išlieti savo fantaziją ant rėmo ir kitų dalykų, tačiau neliesdamas transmisijos ir pakabos, nes ji būna ir be tavęs protingai sugalvota protingų konstruktorių (asmeninė patirtis), gali virint ir pjaustyt suteikdamas savo norimą formą ir navarotus, tobulinti kitas dalis ir gauti pakankamai įspūdingą baiką. Tiesa, tik norėjau pasakyt, kad iš uralo mataro išspaudus 70 arklių jo variklio resursas sumažėja tiek pat kartų padaugint iš dviejų ir pakelt kvadratu

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Cituoju: PQO balzebubai, pasiskaityk forumą, o būtent temą "įmesiu biškį custom kvapo į naują forumą" ir pamatysi ką Luxor ir jo chebra daro. Atsiimsi 90 proc. savo žodžių. Ratus jis tikriausiai perka, taipogi ir variklį, šakes, bet daug ką daro pats. O jei tu tikiesi pasidaryt pats ratus, žvaigždes, grandines, suportus, stabdžių diskus, priekinę šakę, lempas, elektroniką, spidometrus, padangas, stabdžių cilindrus, šlangeles, kuro siurblį, tepalo radiatorių, galinį amortiką ir t.t., tada pirmyn, darykis O jei pirksi, tada gal irgi skaitysis, kad mocą surinkai iš dalių??? Iš karto matosi, kad nesi rimto baiko padaręs jei vis dar manai, kad taip išeis pigiau... Ir nenoriu aš čia su tavim pyktis ar ginčytis, nes esu turėjęs ne vieną mocą, esu savo rankom restauravęs, esu perdarinėjęs, tiuningavęs ir customą daręs. Ir puikiai žinau, kad su ribotu biudžetu yra ŽYMIAI pigiau nusipirkti dėvėtą serijinį motociklą, negu darytis pačiam. Todėl nusiimk rožinius akinius. Jei nesukaupi babkių ant normalaus serijinio moco, tada rimto customo nepadarysi. O jei dėsi į tą savo customą naują HD variklį, o visa kita iš šroto, tada taip jis ir atrodys.... Jau tada tikrai geriau panešiotas japonas.... p.s. jei viską ruošiesi pasidaryt, vadinasi turi nuosavybėje nedidelę motociklų gamyklą. Tada gal parduok kelias akcijas ir nusipirk naują HD Jei jau tariesi esąs toks nagingas, tai geriau paimk seną ir atrestauruok arba daužtą susitvarkyk, tas tai bent yra realiau su ribotu biudžetu. Ir nemanyk, kad lazdavoju tave dėl babkių, nes pats savo senam fzrui skolinaus iš banko.

Tai pagaliau atradau as ta luxor,o tema ir kaip buvau zadejes viesai jo atsiprasysiu(ieskokite skirialije naujienos)

nieko cia nereike atsiprasinet ir jaustis kaltam ,

va mano draugo sporsteris 1971 metu variklis
o mataras sporsterjo brangus del to kad jis ira su deze ir sankaba , ei pirksi detalem atskirai ish dilerjo tas sporsteris kainos koke 20/30 stuku
ka ir sakau reike dauzta pirkt kaip ne sezonas tai jis turetu pigei eit
 

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Cituoju: Luxor nieko cia nereike atsiprasinet ir jaustis kaltam , va mano draugo sporsteris 1971 metu variklis o mataras sporsterjo brangus del to kad jis ira su deze ir sankaba , ei pirksi detalem atskirai ish dilerjo tas sporsteris kainos koke 20/30 stuku ka ir sakau reike dauzta pirkt kaip ne sezonas tai jis turetu pigei eit

Kaip jau sakiau savo klaidas as pripazystu. O sprtster,iukas neblogas. Del to as ir norejau butent sportster,i pirkti kad jisai su greiciu deze ir sankaba ir kadangi daug kas sportser,iu nevertina tai maniau kad bus pigiau.

o kodel nenori darit ish japono kokjo gal bus paprasceu

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Cituoju: Luxor o kodel nenori darit ish japono kokjo gal bus paprasceu

Galima ir is japono bet kad labai jau to harlio norisi. Zinau kad nieko gero bet vis tiek norisi Deja teks turbut apsiraminti su tuo harliu (iki geresniu laiku)

gal pasirodysiu kiek naglas ir gal cinishkas su savo pasisakymais , bet tai tik mano nuomone , juolab pats zinai shito maziausio HD vieta. Sportsteris tarp zmoniu kurie vazinejasi HD yra kaip mopedas Lietuvoje (labai jau norisi vaziuot , o pinigu neuztenka). Dauguma , kurie juos turejo , stengiasi atsikratyti kuo greiciau ir netgi su nemazais nuostoliais , turiu ir pavyzdziu : pora mano bendradarbiu pardavinejo Sportsterius, tai kaina kiekviena kart nukrito nuo 4.5 iki 2.5- 2.8 . Mano galva nei vienas HD nera vertas tu pinigu , o sportsteris labiausiai ...
...bet ...kiekvienam - savo

Na varikliai H.-D. tai man atrodo visi vienodi (iskyrus V-road,a) o kas liecia isvaizda tai originalaus jinai tikrai visai negrazi bet jei pridet rankele tai galima padaryti netgi labai grazu motocikla pats tokiu ne viena maciau. Ir kaip minejau kitose temose vazinejima su H.-D. galima palyginti su mazochizmu. Bet jei zmogui patinka tai jau nieko cia nepadarysi

Nevienodi , ir juo giliau i giria tuo medziu daugiau . O V-Rod'o tikri amerikenai Harliu nelaiko , ir be reikalo .Tikri amerikenai ir Night-Rod'o tikriausiai nepripazins , bet cia jau vargshes tautos problema

Na as aciu dievui ne ,,amerikenas,, O turejau as omeni kad visi jie nieko gero. V-road isvaizda man taip pat nepatinka bet variklis (bent jau pagal tech. duomenis) tai lyg visai ir nieko

nu yra ir visai idomiu v-rodu, kaip kad pvz sitas sveicaru x-rod su nos

Viskas priklauso nuo ideto darbo. Sportsteriu perdarytu irgi yra labai fainu, bet originalas tai ten nekoks, dauguma poto gailisi kai nusiperka...

Butent tai as ir norejau pasakyti. Viskas prikalauso nuo ideto darbo ir fantazijos

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Cituoju: balzebubas Butent tai as ir norejau pasakyti. Viskas prikalauso nuo ideto darbo ir fantazijos

na sioj nuotraukoj tai darbas ir fantazija prylygtu nuliui,jai i moca nebutu investuota keleta maisu su pinigais.

Na motociklas nuotraukoje tai gražiai atrodo Bet pinigų tai turėjo būt nemažai įdėta...

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na sioj nuotraukoj tai darbas ir fantazija prylygtu nuliui,jai i moca nebutu investuota keleta maisu su pinigais.

Sutinku

nu va uzmeciau aki ir radau ta tavo sportsterio varikli.. jis yra 98 metu tipo devetas bet viskas ore ir su viskuo ko jam ten reikia. Ir jis kainuoja arba zmogelis uzsiprases 2600euro. Kaip ir sakiau... yra zymiai pigiau pirkt koki padoru moca, nei gera varikli det i kazin kur...

Uz 2600euro galima pasimt litrini japona virs 00 metu ,zinoma jis bus suplotu priekiu,bet motoras ir visos reikalingos detales bus vietoj.Tai su tokiu varikliu manau nuvaziuosi minimum 10 kar daugiau,nei su harlio ir tuos 10 kart vaziuosi be remonto.

priesh renkant motora reike suzinot kokem varikliui bus palankeu gamint rema , sporseriui liktai ten viskas paprasta , , ei darisi japona su varikliu kuris tures elektronini ipurskima reike apmastit kur tu sukishi visus tos prietaisus , cia aishku ne didele beda bet reike ampastit viska i preki ne tik galvot apie vien varikli

va keli linkai kurie gal pades

http://cccp.ch/4709/4790.html kiek suprantu ten rusu hebra o gal tik toki stiliu turi


cia sporsteriu forumas ten maceu ir custom darosi hebra
http://xlforum.net/index.html

kas lecia remu Atlas gamina kelis sprorsteriui remus su vazjokle ir be vazjokles gale , ie jau senei remu gamibos biznija

http://www.atlasprecision.com/onlinecatalog.asp


sitie daro visokems mocams remus daug japonu ir gana pigei pas jos net gy apsimoka pirkt nes pacem pasidarit ne ko pigeu bus plius nusipirkes rema gali ish jo pasidarit rema remams darit nes jau turesi visus tashkus
http://www.cycleonemanufacturing.com/index.html


nu o ei nori darit rema pats tai cia auksinis web site ash ten radau daug info ten praktishkai viskas aprashita ko reike kaip pasigamint chopper , Gerry pasistenge sukurdamas ta puslapi


http://chopperhandbook.com/neatstuff/index.html
good luck


o ei nesupranti anglishkai tai susirask savo anglu kalbos mokitoja ir atsiprashik

o yeh ir ei kas galvoja kad chopperei gali but tik brangus su extrime ratais ir kitom brangjom detalem tai niera tiesa ,
chopperitos pradejo gamint ne del to kad zmones turejo per daug pinigu ir nezinojo kur jos det kaip seis laikais ,
ira dvi versijos 1 tai HD ir kitos amerikonu motociklu markes gamino motociklus kurie buvo skirti zmogui kuris turejo nusimanit apie technika nes pastovei reikejo taisit , zmones kurie pradejo Chopper craze tai neturejo pinigu ir gamino detales ish to ka turejo ,
ash pazistu pirmos kartos chopper builders kurie pradejo choppers craze , zmogelis man sako ei ash buceu zinojas kad tas dalikas taip ishkils ir bus tokjos kainos kaip dabar zmones moka uz tos motociklus tai man ir mano anukams dirbt nereiketu , jis pasake kad mes turejom kashkoki stiliu o dabar zmones apsivalge narkotikus ir pradejo gamint BBZ ka ,
nu cia dar kaip pasakius, ash suprantu sena zmogu kiekvienas atgyvenes zmogus pritars ta ka jis dare o ne kas dabar , bet kas lecia kainas tai cia zmones patis kalti , kol zmogus mokes tos pinigus tol tos kainos tokjos bus

va dar radau staipsni ish to
pacjo zmogaus kuris sukure web sire chopper hand book , Gerry gamina choppers virsh 30 metu jis ta pati sako kad gereusei gamint ei nori pigei tai ish kito motociklo nes detalem tau brangeu bus








Getting started
The preferred method of getting a low cost chopper project off the ground, and probably the least expensive proposition in the long run, is to buy a complete bike to begin with. It doesn't make much difference whether it is running or not as at least you'll have 95% of all the bits and pieces you'll ever need and you can refurbish it a little at a time as the budget permits.

Buying a complete bike, regardless of the condition, will almost always to be cheapest way to begin a project.

If you watch ebay and the swap meets at the various forums and attend local shows and swap meets you can pick up a pretty good assembled but non-functional bike for under $5000. It is not unusual to find one running, but not necessarily roadworthy, for under $7000. I've seen some very nice machines that I'd be happy to ride for under $8500 but in almost all cases you have to have the cash and you have to act on the sale immediately and you have to be willing to pick the bike up regardless of where she's presently parked. You also have to accept the fact that the previous owner probably played-up the condition of the bike to begin with so you have to be prepared to accept a little less than you bargained for.

If you're willing to buy a basket-case, or a bike that's completely disassembled, you can find some really good deals under the four or five thousand dollar mark but you probably won't have all of the parts you'll need to get it put back together but at least it's a good starting point.

The so-called Kit Bikes or Rollers are probably the worse thing you can buy since they are typically marked up at least 200 and even 300% over the wholesale cost of the individual parts and some of these kits are of the worse possible quality being slapped together with whatever stuff is easily available. If you’re considering a kit take a close look at what’s included and then use a cycle catalog to add up the prices of the separate components. I think you’ll be surprised at what you discover.

If you do buy a kit bike remember that somebody else did all of the easy stuff and you’re going to left with getting all of the hard things accomplished further down the line. By and large kit bike sellers don’t really care whether or not the frame’s straight since they usually bought it themselves from somebody else. They buy a lot of parts and bolt them on the frame just straight enough so that they can take some pictures. After all it’s the buyers responsibility to get everything set up so it’s straight later on. The usual copout Roller companies give the customer if there are problems down the line is the they could have easily built it correctly if the buyer had paid more money to have them build a custom to begin with. In other words the sale is final because the bike ended up being a piece of crap because the buyer didn’t know how to build a bike to begin with.

I see ads everyday for rollers costing anywhere from $5000 to as much as $10,000 which almost anybody could reproduce for under $3000 and sometimes considerably less but people wanting instant gratification are drawn to the rollers because they look like a complete bike less the engine and transmission. If you have enough money for a mass-produced roller you really have enough money for a complete bike if you just shop around.

To make a long story short there is a direct but complicated correlation between time and money. If you spend a lot of money over a long period of time it doesn't seem like much and this is the secret of supporting a very expensive habit. Conversely if you have a lot of money you can compress the time frame.

Keeping the project rolling
One of the biggest problems the potential bike owner/builder faces is stagnation of the project. You have to be able to allocate both money and time in equal proportions otherwise the project will run up against countless stoppages or interruptions in its progress and you'll end up frustrated, run out of patience, and sometimes even become disinterested in the entire ordeal and shit-can the whole project. I’ve dumped more than one good project because I ran out of patience with the slow progress of acquiring parts and somebody got a very good deal on what I sold because I didn’t know how to spread out my funds or allocate my building time.

The ideal situation is to be able to spend a little time each day or week working on the bike while being in a position to spend the funds necessary to buy the parts and other stuff you'll be needing to keep the project progressing just slightly beyond you're frustration level each and every day. Having a bare frame or a roller sitting in the garage for a whole year before you get some more cash to take it to the next stage isn't what I call progress.

When I first started out building bikes I had very little money. In fact I remember not being able to eat on a regular basis so I guess you could say I had a cash flow problem. On the other hand I had plenty of time on my hands and I was willing to do as much work as needed to be done so I didn't mind working on really bad basket cases just as long as I could see a little progress being made every day.

I started my own so-called biker life with a running ride but economics soon dictated that I sell that particular scooter. It wasn't too long however that the old hankering came back and I started looking for another motorcycle but funds were slim to none so I developed a plan that would get me back in the saddle without getting a divorce. I'd just build my own bike from whatever junk parts I could scrounge up a little at a time. What I couldn't buy, I'd build myself.

The Plan consisted of buying, borrowing, begging and trading for Harley parts each and every weekend. I'd settle for the least-cost, most beat up, most rusted stuff you could possibly imagine and I'd spend the next five days bringing those parts back to life again with raw manual labor. No matter how insignificant a part was, I would spend all of my spare time getting it as close to useable as possible. What I actually didn't need myself I would then resell or trade for parts that I did need for my particular project.

I was constantly busy and involved in my project, so I didn't have time to loose interest or become frustrated with a lack of progress. I could see something happening each and every day and I knew that as each day passed I was that much closer to having a running scooter again.

What I couldn't afford to buy I learned how to make, or at least modify, and this is the primary reason I started to learn about frame geometry and frame construction techniques. I ended up building my own extended forks using an old stock springer and Ford radius rods for the new legs. Eventually I ended up building an entirely new frame to replace the old stock hardtail that I bought at the inception of the project.

A good example of the low-cost/low-budget approach to building a bike might be acquiring a new transmission. Right now I personally don’t have enough cash to shell out for a new tranny but if I buy it in pieces, a little at a time, with some extra beer and cigarette money, I’ll have a new complete transmission in about six months time. The bonus factor is that I’ll have assembled it myself and from then on I can call myself a Harley transmission expert. Over the long time period of gathering together all the various pieces I’ve had time to handwork each and every component in much the same manner that a gunsmith or watchmaker fine-tunes a custom piece of hardware.

One reason so many bike projects end up for sale before they're finished is because the project's owner wouldn't settle for second or third best and always tried to build the ultimate bike right from the start. My concept involves building literally anything that can roll, even if it only rolls down the driveway. It may look like a Frankenstein creation at the beginning but at least you can get it running for minimal cash outlay. Once you get the basics together, and it goes straight, it's relatively easy to dress it up one piece at a time. Like I said before I've never really had a bike that I considered 100% finished, each one has been a work in progress.

It took almost three years to finally get my second bike on the road but I can honestly say that it cost less than $2000 in cash (back in 1968) to have a ride that today would cost about fifteen thousand dollars.

The Key to success: Get help
The real key to my plan however was having access to knowledgeable people who could show me what I needed to do, how to do it, and then show me how to perfect the skills to do any particular job the right way. None of these people charged me anything for helping me even though many of them ran commercial shops of their own and this brings me to a central point.

What has happened to the bike building industry between 1968 and now? Perhaps more importantly what has happened to Bikers in general over the same time period? How many so-called custom chopper shops today will even bother to give a customer the time of day let alone show them how to rake a steering neck?

To build a really nice bike on limited funds takes far more resources than a single individual can provide and this means that you've got to call upon other people to help you out. You can have friends help out for free or you can hire so-called pros to do some stuff for a fee but you've still got to have outside help every now and then. This circle of resources used to be your local cycle club but unfortunately most cycle clubs today are social organizations and the bikes come in second place. If you move down one tier on the social ladder however you might be lucky enough to run into a cycle gang.

Contrary to popular belief such gangs weren't formed to rape, pillage, plunder and steal, but to help other riders build or maintain their scooters. When I want a straight answer to a really serious question I won't go the local Harley Riders Club but I will try to find some old guy still flying his colors to give me some info. I make a pretty unique distinction between a club member and a gang member in that most gang members actually get their hands dirty so I figure that most of the time they know what they're talking about from first hand experience and not from some discussion board dribble.

Share your talent
On the opposite hand if you've got some knowledge or talent you owe it to others to share those things freely, or at least reasonably. We've all got to make a living but we don't have to make a killing on each and every project. The biker world is a small world and there is more than enough money to go around so it rubs me raw to see some half-assed prima-dona somewhere charging outrageous prices for mediocre work.

Once you embark on your particular project you have to become a scrounger and an inventor. You have to buy parts wherever and whenever you can regardless of their condition. You have to obtain factory shop manuals and learn to absorb what you’re reading. You have to develop a networking strategy and call upon others whenever you can.

Nicely engineered and hand built choppers don’t go together in a day. Truly fine bikes take years to complete and such hand wrought machines stand the test of time and will be running long after the horde of mass-produced chops are in the salvage yards.

Idomus tinklapiai. Labai dekui uz naudinga informacija

i hope i nauda
turiu svajone atvazjot i Lt ir ten padarit chopper ir prasinesht Lietuvos keleis su Big V twin choppu bobutes pagazdint , hm hm

o ka atostogu atvarau ir padarau .iranga atsisiunciu detales ir visko kitko ko reike kad padarit . menesis gero darbo , alaus, mazai miego ir bus padaritas ,

Atvažiuok su pasidarytu, tai tadu turėsi laisvą mėnesį pasivažinėjimui ir kilnojimui Laukiam.

As irgi manyciau kad geriau atsivezti jau padaryta turesi daugiau laiko bobuciu gasdinimui ir gero lietuvisko alaus ragavimui be to man atrodo ir pigiau iseitu atsivezti jau padaryta nei lietuvoje darytis (atsimeta iranga ir t.t.) P.S. tinklapiai tikrai i nauda bus radau daug mane dominancios info.